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Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby admin » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:40 am

Something to Consider
The Policing of some of the Rules as pertains to Fuel Injection control Electronics.
The NHRA Only allows One Software version for Injected [NHRA PS Motorcycles] Easily policed by plugging in and Checking the Version..
What if we do not wish to run NHRA Controller???
Simple answer... IMO Disallow Data Gathering in general..
Could be used in T&T to get a Tune, then removed for Competition...
I Like Simple.
Please Discuss here!!!
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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby hscharley » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:58 pm

Big difference between data gathering and data controlling. Data gathering had been legal for years now. Data controlling I think is what's not legal in NHRA. I would like to continue to use data gathering.
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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby ChrisMartin » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:21 pm

Mr Douglas makes sense. imo.

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby gregg dahl » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:27 pm

Looks like each EFI Manufacturer needs to submit an AMRA legal version. I have mine ready to submit.

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby admin » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:17 am

hscharley wrote:Big difference between data gathering and data controlling. Data gathering had been legal for years now. Data controlling I think is what's not legal in NHRA. I would like to continue to use data gathering.
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Known ... But, How to Police what is being "done" with that collected data???

gregg dahl wrote:Looks like each EFI Manufacturer needs to submit an AMRA legal version. I have mine ready to submit.

This^^ Is what we need to accomplish somehow.. Or ????

I'm simply throwing it out there that is we remove data gathering during competition... no problem Policing!!
If [Big Word] everyone runs "approved" systems... also No Problem..

Maybe the Closed Loop Open Loop needs to be Looked into... I know just enough about this Crap to be Very Dangerous, but, I Know something needs to be addressed before we have a Problem...
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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby os/canada » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:54 am

Nhra use 3 software Motec130 , S&S protune, magneti marelli sra-e,

what you want to control ?? probably Traction ... we need some info about what you want to control..
it is only rule for Outlaw ?

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby hpzracing » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:16 am

NHRA PS rules
INDUCTION
Electronic fuel injection permitted. All electronic-fuel-injection
systems must be NHRA-accepted. All inputs/outputs, sensors,
transducers, and wiring related to the fuel-injection system and
ignition system must be NHRA-accepted and used in an
unaltered manner. Contact the NHRA Technical Department for
an approved list of sensors, inputs/outputs, and wiring. A current
list of NHRA-accepted electronic-fuel-injection systems is
available on NHRARacer.com. See General Regulations 9:1

COMPUTER/DATA RECORDERS
Data recorders permitted; must be NHRA-accepted, standalone,
and used for information gathering only. Accepted systems:
Racepak V300 models, Dynatek, and Motec SDL3. Throttle
operation, shifting, clutch actuation, etc. are to be solely under
the control of the rider. Data recorders may not collect any

General Regulations 9:1
For EFI NHRA allow Motec M130,M400 ,M600 , Magneti Marelli SRA-E and S&S variable protune 11
and for data recorder ,Dynatek, Motec SDL3 and Racepak

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby os/canada » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:33 pm

gregg dahl wrote:Looks like each EFI Manufacturer needs to submit an AMRA legal version. I have mine ready to submit.


Gregg what is the legal amra version ??? never see the rules about efi in rules book , do you have info?? ...

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby os/canada » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:31 pm

Again ,

what we want to have in control ..

(If is Traction ??? no problem for us here!! to submit a legal version (no close loop version r not active ), but we need to know what you want ??

Dont forget... not possible to have traction control with out speed wheel sensor.........But we need that to setup the clutch for track day .

in another way , if you allow traction control , no police needed , bikes will run faster and safer .. Probably going 1.18 on 60ft ...and available for all efi and carburator ... at cheap price

depend where we want to push the class to run faster .... with out data logger we will going back in the pass not a good way for us.. all we ll want to run faster.

Any way will be good for US , just to know what is that ...

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby Nitro » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:54 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this years winner in this class running carbs and msd ignition??? It's Outlaw Street...

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby admin » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:25 am

hpzracing wrote:
COMPUTER/DATA RECORDERS
Data recorders permitted; must be NHRA-accepted, standalone,
and used for information gathering only. Accepted systems:
Racepak V300 models, Dynatek, and Motec SDL3. Throttle
operation, shifting, clutch actuation, etc. are to be solely under
the control of the rider.

This is the Part I am shooting for..
The NHRA is easily policed, due to Plugging in and verifying what system is being used...and Only some systems/versions are accepted..
Terribly complicated... really too much so.
I am tempted to remove "sensors" for Racing, and allowing for T&T etc.. Still Not the Best tho..
This discussion needs to progress
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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby hscharley » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:30 pm

Too many sensors to remove. 02 sensors, clutch, wheel speed. We would be going back in time if we pulled this off. I dont think the data should be controlling the performance of the bike as it travels down the track.

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby hscharley » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:32 pm

My bike has had a v300 race pak on it since atleast 2006. This is not new technology.

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby hscharley » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:38 pm

My bike has data gathering only.

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Re: Fuel Injected Electronics

Postby hscharley » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:13 pm

I think the closed loop vs open loop is the problem . Hello..anyone else out there?


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